Firstly, clarification: 1. Gilchrist walked after Shepherd said "not out" in the WC semi-final against Sri Lanka. 2. Gilchrist has walked each and every time he has been out since that time (never disproved) 3. Gilchrist has said that if he KNOWS he's out, he will walk. 4. That said, a batsman doesn't necessarily know every time he's out (ie when a batsman hits their pad at the same time as the ball, or an attempted hook shot which may or may not flick the glove ever so slightly). 5. When wicketkeeping - Gilchrist has said that if he doesn't see an edge or hear a noise, then he doesn't really appeal. 6. Gilchrist has said that if HE IS NOT SURE, then he asks the question and leaves it to the umpire. 7. Picture a player on day 5 of an emotionally draining, tense, frustrating test match, chasing an improbable victory. Dravid tucks the bat in and in the blink of Gilchrist's eye, there is some sort of noise which everyone hears and he goes up. 8. Again, incompetence gets the decision wrong, and I'm sure Gilly looked at the replay afterwards in slow motion and wasn't over the moon. But again, the same point is made - he wasn't sure so he asked the question and relied on the umpires (shock horror gasp) to do their job.
Give the man a break and don't use him as a patsy in your arguments of convenience.
RE:Gilchrist
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 08:01 PM Permalink
i dont question his past. this man can make a mistake along with his team mates. he said conveniently that he'd leave it to an umpire. he's neither right nor wrong. he left it to a man with whom he'd take a chance.
RE:RE:Gilchrist
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
mmspm - you must be a mind-reader - you know that he knew so clearly that the ball didn't touch the bat?
Don't tell me you are also the one who received the non-existent SMS text message from Sachin saying Harbhajan was 100% innocent and that the series shouldn't continue until he was freed on appeal?
RE:Gilchrist
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 08:08 PM Permalink
dude, indians arent an organised sledging mafia like the aussie team. they also have gags on them . also there's a lot of politics going on in the team forever. point is why did proctor listen to only the aussie team ?
RE:Gilchrist
by mmspm on Jan 08, 2008 08:10 PM Permalink
yes i am a mind reader, be careful. and i know u & ur parents why u ppl r settled in India.
just wanna give a small suggestion to u, better pretend urs conversion operation (religion conversion) within kerala borders only. Until sickular govt. loose footage in Kerala
RE:Gilchrist
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:19 PM Permalink
MMSPM, only mildly confused by your last comment. Either you haven't taken your medication, or I've taken too much.
I'd love to discuss it with you further, but since I live 10000 kilometres away in Australia in a functioning SECULAR democracy, it could be somewhat diffcult!
I was trying to respond with a modicum of civility, but I'm sure you're only embarassing yourself in front of your fellow patriots now, so I'll leave you holding the spade and show you where to dig! Cheers Michael
RE:Gilchrist
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
How do you know that??? Day five of a test and everyone, including the umpires, are drain. Gilchrist heard a noise and appealed. It's the umpire's job to judge. Kumble appealed for an LBW in the second innings that was hit to mid on. Is he cheat? According to your argument he is! Justify that!
RE:RE:Gilchrist
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 08:45 PM Permalink
lbw's can be dodgy, but when the bat was tucked behind the pad, bucknor giving out is not as bad as the keeper shouting!
RE:Gilchrist
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:03 PM Permalink
mmspm is clearly symptomatic of the greater malaise affecting Indian cricket.
If analytical reading is within your ability, please read point 7 - it's fairly self-explanatory.
But yes, Raj, I can agree that as the mind disintegrates (and it does in a 5 day match as tense as this one), you're far more likely to go up for an appeal because you hear a noise, and not process everything in your own head as to whether it's a valid appeal or not!
RE:Gilchrist
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 08:27 PM Permalink
To the guys using the Mr Monkey Michael's here. You do your country proud??? This is exactly the thing that leads to this situation happening in the first place.
RE:Gilchrist
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink
You're making some friends here Michael... I'm gutted now, I haven't been really abused so far, i just lose my posts. but calling you Monkey Michael seems to be ok by everyone???
RE:Gilchrist
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
people sure have reported abuse for that gentleman. check the pages. since quite some time now. its not that instant though!
We Indians should definitely support India, but at the same time we should be honest in sending our messages. 1. Do you think India Plays honest from the beginning? (or atleast for the past 3 years) 2. There are lot of cases where India got benefit from the umpires and won the series itself (latest example, India vs Eng in Lords, 1 wicket to win for England, Sreesanth was out (plumb lbw to Panesar), but umpire helped India and the match was drawn, then India won the series. Many can argue that there are lot of decisions went against us at sydney, according to me, even if it is one decision which has turned the match, that is enough.
Coming back to Honesty, in the last ODI against AUS in India, Murali kartik openly accepted that he got a nick when he played against aus, but he didn't walk (why Kumble, you claimed that your team is also honest?). I am not saying that he should walk, at the same time, we cannot expect others to walk also.
Appeal= How many times Indians have appeal when they plan in India (test match against Pakistan, Srilanka etc) even the fielders know that it is not out. Indians have been fined several times for excessive appealing.
So let us stop finding excuses for the loss and prepare for the next test. (If we are not able to play 2 overs of part time bowlers and lose 3 wickets to clarke, then we deserve to lose the match)
RE:Nobody is Fair
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 08:48 PM Permalink
we arent complaining as much for the loss - kumble stated that dint he ? if yu havent read that or noted, yu are trolling here. the grouse is about bad umpiring, and some bad sport by aussie team, and also the racial conspiracy hatched by symonds against a hapless bhajji. if there's proof conclusive, bhajji should be banned immediately or else, take care of symonds for making a false claim
RE:Nobody is Fair
by suresh on Jan 09, 2008 10:12 AM Permalink
What can Australia do if Umpiring is Bad? How can u say Bad sport by aussie team? Do u think appealing and not walking is bad sport, then the entire world of cricket is playing like that. U remember Kumble appealing once in the same match when Hogg played a cover drive. If it is false claim then ICC should have rules in favour of bajji.
RE:Nobody is Fair
by suresh on Jan 09, 2008 10:12 AM Permalink
What can Australia do if Umpiring is Bad? How can u say Bad sport by aussie team? Do u think appealing and not walking is bad sport, then the entire world of cricket is playing like that. U remember Kumble appealing once in the same match when Hogg played a cover drive. If it is false claim then ICC should have rules in favour of bajji.
RE:Nobody is Fair
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
Thanks for this comment. This is hard to argue with. A huge point missed on all the "Aussies are cheaters" posts is that the terrible crimes they are accused of are actually standard practice.
* Aussies not walking is cheating. An Indian not walking... well lets not mention that thanks.
* Aussies appealing for not-out decisions is cheating. When India does that.. well.. ummm.. totally irrelevant and beside the point!
Righteous indignation only works if you are righteous. It is plain hypocracy to say that these actions are only cheating when Aust does them.
RE:Nobody is Fair
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 08:21 PM Permalink
Yeah he does come from another world, it's called earth, because he's one of the few speaking anything close to reality here.
2 foolproof suggestions: 1. Each country to compile a "database" of insults that are culturally inappropriate. All contracted players to be sent on a one week training course before series to educate them. 1 warning, then a suspended sentence, then a formal ban.
2. Given this is difficult and probably stupid, turn the stump mics up throughout a match and ban all forms of sledging.
As highlighted by Steve Waugh and a number of INdians, this appears to be a cultural issue - so only one foolproof way to deal with it.
RE:Sledging
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
I tried to reply but somehow got done for abuse.
My response effectively said that there is no need for Hogg to be sorry IF AND ONLY IF he was not aware that the b word was culturally so offensives to Indians. I would be amazed if this was the case, since we use the b word as a term of endearment in Australian slang.
For the 10th time today, as per my earlier post, I've suggested that players be educated what is off limits and if they cross the line, warn them, suspend a sentence, then ban them for a third offence (all relative to severity of course). Cheers Michael
RE:Sledging
by Narasimhan K V on Jan 08, 2008 09:21 PM Permalink
That is exactly the respect or disrespect, Indians, attach to "Monkey", unfortunately our ancestor or a god to us.
Do not blow it big.
Do not make sledging a weapon to say that is the way to play cricket hard.
RE:RE:Sledging
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
the word monkey is uttered by common people who are oblivious to cricket. if that B word is similarly used, symonds and australians should put up with it, much like how indians can henceforth put up with the b word
RE:Sledging
by Nitin Murali on Jan 08, 2008 08:35 PM Permalink
That seems to me to be a ridiculous suggestion! Database of acceptable words?? Seriously?? Why and how is it ever 'acceptable' to taunt another human being with the absolutely ridiculous idea of 'mental disintegration'? Do we really need that in cricket? Isn't cricket far more exciting without all that? Just ban sledging! Fine the people who do...End of story. But wait...I am sure the ICC would never do that...
RE:Sledging
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
Nitin
I think you missed the sarcasm in my initial post - my point raised at "2" was that such an idea (of a database) is stupid and impractical, therefore you either put up with it, or turn the mics up and ban it all!
I mentioned this in a reply but thought it was worthy of restating.
Indians are probably aware that almost every Australian worships the ground that Sachin walks on (in cricketing terms of course) - his skill, his record in Australia, and his ability to perform on the big stage.
Given this, PLEASE can someone force/convince/cajole the BCCI to tell Sachin to come out publicly and say "I know for a fact that Harbhajan didn't say monkey and that it is all a misunderstanding". If this is the case, there is no reason why Sachin can't say this publicly (as it is the same information as he would give to Proctor, therefore not privileged information), and Australian minds would be put at ease, and we'd turn around and support the BCCI appealing to the ICC!
But when this supposed text SMS is found to be false, and proof comes out that Harbhajan said monkey to Symonds before, it's human nature to expect cynicism at our end!
RE:Sachin
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 08:02 PM Permalink
in fact he did mention that mike proctor never considered, he only said he listened to sachin , but he surely was discounted given the one sided nature of the hearing.
RE:Sachin
by on Jan 08, 2008 08:23 PM Permalink
Raj, as I said separately, surely the BCCI can lift the gag, order Sachin to speak and confirm his version of events. BUT NOTE:
If he says - I heard every word and monkey was never said, then Australians will be falling over themselves supporting the BCCI and assuming that the Australians misheard what was said.
But if he only says he didn't hear it said, then that's only going to keep us in the dark, because it may mean he didn't hear the whole conversation!
I agree with Adnan - the umpiring was completely unprofessional, utterly incompetent and wrecked the game. BUT that's my point - unlike hundreds of posters on this page suggesting the match should be cancelled/awarded to India/etc, it wasn't a conspiracy against India, just sheer incompetence.
Ashish - I must admit I'm erring on the optimistic side of caution as I'm HOPING that Proctor found something concrete to justify his comment that he was satisfied "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is why I fully support the BCCI appealing (but not holding the game to ransom pending the result!).
Also Ashish, please verify your own facts - Symonds was supported by Hayden and Clarke who said they heard it. Gilchrist and Ponting I believe said they were only told about it (therefore their evidence would have been largely irrelevant).
Again read my comments - I urge the BCCI/Sachin to come out PUBLICLY and EXPLICITLY and say nothing was said. The alleged text message from Sachin was non-existent, and I honestly can say every Australian would believe Sachin if he told us the world was ending tomorrow!
Yuvraj was cited by umpires and CLEARED by Proctor (though again I believe Proctor was incorrect). Again Ashish, check your own facts about officiating before commenting on the veracity of my facts.
RE:Officiating/Other issues
by mmspm on Jan 08, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
you loa..ff..errr... mondey michael
just recall what this idiot match refree proctor did to Rashid Latif of then the Pakistan Captaion for what reason, and what he couldnt did the same to ponting and clarke
Mike Proctor has and always has been South African - why do refer to "the principles of justice ... in Australia" you will not find many Australians who agree with the decision based on the evidence we know about. However the Indian board was wrong to talk about "suspending the tour" because now if (as it seemingly should) the charge is dropped. It will seem as if it has been dropped because of the Indian pressure not because he was innocent and that will be sad.
RE:
by Nitin Murali on Jan 08, 2008 07:31 PM Permalink
I think the issue here is about transparency. First of all, from the various reports that came out yesterday, two things were clear: 1) BCCI wanted the series to go on no matter what. 2) The Indian players on the other hand felt let down by the BCCI for not taking the whole racial matter seriously. This was reported in various newspapers across the country. I say that the problem is the lack of transparency just because of the manner in which the decision to ban Mr. Singh came out. If Mr. Proctor feels there is enough evidence, then the charged person has a right to appeal and see the evidence that was used to make the decision. As far as the Indian team itself is concerned, it is fairly easy to feel really dejected with all that has been going on. If they do not feel like playing in this atmosphere, that is their prerogative. I am saying that the BCCI was forced to make that decision as the body representing them (seeing their agitation at being handed a decision without any readily apparent evidence). The charges are not dropped, mind you. What I think is happening is a very tactical 'cooling off' of the heated heads everywhere. By the time the appeal is taken in consideration, people would have cooled down. The appellate team might then just uphold the decision against Mr.Singh and hand him a suspended sentence. The thing is that I believe there is a lot more going on that what is actually being said out loud. Peace.
Mr panicker I have been an avid reader of your columns but I must say hats off to you to produce this one. Terrific , Fantabulous are the only words i can think of right now. You have exactly hit the nail on head by penning it down--- you left a few words out of your column: "India should not be allowed to control the game - that is Australia's prerogative."
Apologies, new to this site so my name doesn't appear to show. My name is MIchael, yes, I'm an Australian born indian of mallu heritage who is a lawyer.
I agree with you Adnan - the umpiring was completely unprofessional, utterly incompetent and wrecked the game. BUT that's my point - unlike hundreds of posters on this page suggesting the match should be cancelled/awarded to India/etc/etc, it wasn't a conspiracy against India, just sheer incompetence.
For your reference, I am also the author of "the real spirit of the game", "umpiring - biased or bad" "what is the BCCI thinking?" and "what is the (educated) world coming to?"
RE:My identity
by Cool on Jan 08, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
I agree with Michael...umpiring was incompetent, not biased. It was a hard fought test match and many decisions were there in favor of India too, but there were much more against. It is the right of the fielders to ask umpires %u201Chow is that?%u201D if they are confident they will do it or if they have doubt, they will do it%u2026this is what we have been seeing for years. But it is the umpired who decides at the end %u201Chow it was%u201D
It is a hard fought test match and there is no reason to cancel it. Indian too have benefited from many wrong umpiring desisons. Let us see the recently finished test match against England. TV replayed showed, shreesahnt, the last wiket the plumb%u2026.but umpired refused it and rain come immediately and the match called off. In the umpire could have made the correct decision, the series result would have been different%u2026.did you head anyone from Englad complaining about it?.....it is part of game%u2026.but it was bit uncommon in SCG
RE:My identity
by Cool on Jan 08, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
I agree with Michael...umpiring was incompetent, not biased. It was a hard fought test match and many decisions were there in favor of India too, but there were much more against. It is the right of the fielders to ask umpires how is that? if they are confident they will do it or if they have doubt, they will do it. this is what we have been seeing for years. But it is the umpired who decides at the end how it was
It is a hard fought test match and there is no reason to cancel it. Indian too have benefited from many wrong umpiring decisions. Let us see the recently finished test match against England. TV replayed showed, Shreeshant, the last wicket was LBW, but umpire refused it. Rains come immediately and the match called off. If the umpire could have made the correct decision, the series result would have been different. did you head anyone from England complaining about it? Wrong decisions are part of the game. but it was bit uncommon in SCG
Just so all our Indian readers know, Craddock is a poor journalist at best, and not very respected by knowledgeable Australian readers. So responding to his article is about as pointless as it seems to try and get some objective discussion with some people going on here.... Yes I know I'll get deleted again.
RE:Craddock
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
i'd say lets ban sledging, since ites the bone of contention for most of the teams, they are tired of aussie sledging. its not even funny. everytime someone reminds yu of yur parents the wrong way, yu get wild, not spirited, like the aussie claim. its stupid, yu wont even get it.
RE:Craddock
by on Jan 08, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
Calvin, you've got to stop trying to provide a balanced view here. People don't want to hear it. Just say this is an issue based on race, Proctor and the ICC are in league with the Aussies, and Bajji is a saintly prince because his mother says so. Then your posts will stay up for more than five minutes.
RE:Craddock
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
I can't believe you actually think that. There is no conspiracy out to get India, and the sooer you realise that the sooner things will likely turn out the better for you.
RE:RE:RE:Craddock
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
That's a response to the ICC conspiracy theorist. As my previous post again got taken down, think I'm just going to leave you all to it. And hope that the facts present themselves in due time, and this doesn't just get swept under the carpet.
RE:RE:Craddock
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
well, imnot sure about the conspiracy part. indians dont have a dossier that says win at all costs. aussie team is very united, yu dont even have to call each other to support each other. its totally not convincing that ponting after all those years of cricket can claim he doesnt know if he's grassed it (actually he sad he was SURe he dint grass it). what a bunch of bull, ive been playing cricket since i was a kid, although im not even a city level player :P i know fully well, all the times, that once yu grass it, yu are in doubt. i feel ponting's a liar. same with clarke. i coudlnt believe it when gilchrist (my idol for all these years) said that too. this denial in unison is too much to take.
RE:Craddock
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:18 PM Permalink
take heart. panickar is not a mainstream journalist either. rediff has only the eyeballs of the web surfers. and as yu know website has a lot of venom than on newspapers. so yu need to know that its not only here, its probably in australia too or the rest of the world. besides, indians feel hard done by - for all that i dont wan to repeat again and again. but the more yu are at it. the worse the aussie indian relation will be.
RE:RE:Craddock
by Calvin Corser on Jan 08, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
Cheers Raj, I'm not naive or stupid enough to believe all Indians don't want to see the whole facts, not just a biased view. Just as I'm sure you're aware all Australians aren't the same either. A past Australian cricket team was responsible for the most appalling thing ever said on a cricket field that I've ever heard of (spoken to a newzealander, but denied by Asutralia). Also in this case I'm certainly not defending all they've done, but wanted to try and point out a few missing facts, that I thought were fairly relevant. And I'm sure anyone I'd be interested in speaking to got that.
RE:RE:RE:Craddock
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
im different from the rest of the angry indians here, who are charged up and either reporting yu for abuse. i'm clear about the indian point of view. i read and opine in the aussie boards too. point is, obviously both are pretty darn stubborn about their points of view. just as you claim yu are right. the perception is a whole lot different on the other side. india is the most complec country in the worls, so many cultures, so many castes, creed, divisions. they just DONT get the abusive sledging for one. next australia welcomes people from all over the world, they are good hosts too, i have friends in australia studying. i wanted to come to australia for a visit. im kinda disappointed with the rabid nationalism so uncharacteristic of the aussie. well, im kinda giving up. i cant get my point across, im tired.
I have immeasurable respect for Kumble during this series. Lionhearted bowling, spirited captaincy and determined batting.
BUT "only one team playing in the spirit of the game?". My contention - NEITHER team was!
Firstly Australia: (a) not walking when obvious - I agree that walking is optional but "it's just not cricket" when Clarke edges to first slip and stands his ground. Symonds however was honest - "yes I nicked it on 30, but I could also sit here and tell you about the number of bad decisions I have got" (b) aggressive appeals - pioneered by Indian spinners on home tracks (ie appeals for bat pad catches with the bat held high in the air), improved by Sri Lankans and Pakistanis, and perfected by Mr. Shane Warne. But really, what team pushing for a world-record equalling victory doesn't aggressively ask the question at any opportunity? I'd bet my life that most Indian fans would kill to be in the same position as the Australian juggernaut! (c) Catches - I will discuss in my next instalment
Now India: (a) aggressive appealing - ie Kumble appealing for LBW when Hogg drove through the offside for 2 runs (b) Over rates - deliberately slowed down - such as calling for shinguards for ball 6 of an over! (c) Ishant - coming out with 2 left gloves with 9 minutes to go, followed by Pathan laughing with the replacement glove!
If you want to take the moral high ground, your own house needs to be in impeccable order. IMHO, India doesn't have a leg to stand on.
RE:The real spirit of the game
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
oh well, some piddly reasons. australia were the side who were tremendously slow. they bowled at 12.2 overs per hour.
sledging is far worse than aggressive appealing.
who says aussies arent aggressive in appealing. they are superb actors, and fake quite well, and have a better rate of getting people out, cos they are the champions, and they cant be argued against!
RE:The real spirit of the game
by on Jan 08, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
He didn't say Australia didn't agressively appeal he just said India do it as well. It highlights the Indian hypocracy in this issue. We don't claim to be saints we play tough hard cricket (at all levels of the game) which includes sledging - even about our parent's - you either handle it and let it make you concentrate more or you quit and take up golf. In the case off Hogg calling Kumble a "lucky barstard" this is not a nasty term in Australia in other words the term bartstard is not meant literally. It's like if we are shocked about something we might say f**k me - it doesn't mean we want you to do it.
RE:RE:The real spirit of the game
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
indians dont want sledging. period. so is the rest of the world. they are tired of sledging. it might be the aussie way of calling each other whatever. the rest of the world is tired. im tired of listing how many player from all the countries dont like it. simply put. keep the aussie way in australia, and play cricket without sledging. the lucky.... hwtaver is the worst abuse in india. its beyond racism. its an insult to you parents. people can stab or can get violent in india for that.
RE:The real spirit of the game
by on Jan 08, 2008 07:26 PM Permalink
Raj, you should read my comments more carefully before replying.
My point is that Kumble made a big statement that "only one side is playing in the true spirit of the game". My contention - this is false. Neither India NOR Australia were playing in the true spirit of the game. Both were slow in over rates, both were aggressively appealing.
I'm mildly amused by your description of my (fairly even-handed) comments as "piddly reasons"!
Perhaps a poor analogy, but it's like a robber telling a murderer "only one of us is upholding and abiding by the law"!!!!
RE:The real spirit of the game
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
dude, check the reactions in other cricketing country. its like" oh the australians are at it again. serves them right if they are brought to justice for their sledging". " they started it all, and now THEY are whingeing?" etc etc.
i knew that i wont even comment about that. kumble felt he had a bad test match. indians probably sledge upto 10% of what the aussie blkes do. remember what bhajjie said. yu guys are ignoring what this guy's been upto before framing me, he's been abusing me for the last half an hour or so constantly at it. kumble's other grouse is the fact that ganguly's grassed catch was seen by ganguly and he felt that it was not in the right spirit. also dravid's decision again by (gasp!) gilly. well, rightly so.
RE:RE:The real spirit of the game
by on Jan 08, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
I'm sorry Raj but again people need to read what I'm saying more clearly before commenting:
1) I have not said anything (as yet) about the Australian's behaviour - that will follow shortly but in summary they behaved without grace in victory, without humility and without compassion for Kumble's valiant struggle. Therefore the rest of the world's comments are wholely and completely irrelevant.
2) Kumble said "only one team is playing in the true spirit of the game". The one team he is referring to is India. My point is that India were also not playing within the true spirit of the game, just that they may have been less guilty than Australia.
I'm sure you are intelligent enough to know that if someone is less guilty (rather than innocent), they are still guilty of something and shouldn't be drawing comparisons.
Mind you, I have no problem with Kumble saying it in the heat of the moment, my issue is taken with Indian fans who have picked up on it as a catchcry to rally the masses.
RE:The real spirit of the game
by raj on Jan 08, 2008 07:54 PM Permalink
you will know the feeling when yu have so many crucial decisions going against yu, AND losing the match that could be saved, AND when the opposition celebrate like they have won a war and rubs it in after all those wrong decisions and false accusation agains t bhajji
