If the Indians don't click in Perth, it's a life time of munchies for every one involved. Perth is an extremely bouncy wicket and when Dravid and Jaffer go out on the first day, God bless them both. I think the best way to avoid further hostility would be to return home, sorry, but we will sort out our differences in a little while, but right now, we have no business to be here anymore!
RE:Macaca
by lalit jha on Jan 09, 2008 01:50 AM Permalink
Please don't assume somthing which has not proven with any evidence.
Monkey might be a racial slur... Bhajji said it is not confirmed. Would you listen only Mike Procter and his likes in Australian team. Sachin should have had heard it if was the case because he was the closest on the ground.
RE:Macaca
by Amar Kumar on Jan 09, 2008 01:59 AM Permalink
Please read the article above. Prem Panicker has written that Independent sources have told him that Harbhajan indeed called Symonds a monkey
RE:RE:Macaca
by on Jan 09, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
abe bandar,
Prem's article says Bhajji apparently did call Symonds a monkey IN BARODA during recent Aussie visit to India. Whether this slur was repeated in the Sydney test is only alleged, without any evidence. samjhe? -surgyan
RE:Macaca
by lalit jha on Jan 09, 2008 02:04 AM Permalink
So now you authorize Prem Panicker as referree ?
If he thinks so, let him think. But I am asking you not to assume something which lacks evidence. The whole hearing process itself lack integrity. Its not acceptable how Mike Procter behaved and went on after hearing one side story while not paying attention to our views.
RE:Macaca
by Amar Kumar on Jan 09, 2008 02:08 AM Permalink
If Prem Panicker did not know the facts. he should not have written this article at the first place. Prem Panicker should be held accountable for what he writes. I am only pointing that in some cultures that word Monkey can be construed as a racial term. On the other hand Prem Panicker thinks Monkey is a normal word and that his wife calls him as a monkey. Now that is ridiculous.
RE:Macaca
by Prasad John on Jan 09, 2008 02:15 AM Permalink
1) If he had called then he should be banned, but no one has heard him saying/calling that.
2) What about Clarke being banned for calling Dhoni and Kumble a bastard
3) How about Ponting being banned for saying he took the catch, when he knew he did not
4) How about Gilchrist being banned for the wrong appeal when he knew Dravid had not nicked it.
The second, third and fourth points have proofs to prove it. So they should be banned and that second test be declared as VOID/NO RESULT
The first point you had the 2 umpirees saying they did not hear it and the batsmen at the other end saying he did not hear it.
The Orlando Magic and the NBA banned Magic fan Hooman Hamzehloui from attending any league games this season and revoked his season tickets after he directed a racial slur at Houston Rockets center Dikembe Mutombo Thursday night during a preseason game at TD Waterhouse Centre.
Hamzehloui, a Windermere resident and realtor, was ejected by security at TD Waterhouse Centre. He later conceded he called Mutombo a "monkey" and made monkey-like gestures.
He said he didn't know saying monkey could be construed as a racial slur. Mutombo had to be restrained during the game from going after Hamzehloui and wanted the league to take action.
Hamzehloui sent a letter of apology to Mutombo and offered $5,000 to a charity of his choice. But the league and the Magic wanted to set an example and put some teeth in the Fan Code of Conduct it instituted after the Detroit Pistons-Indiana Pacers brawl. Courtesy: Orlando Sentinel
Prem's write up is superb... Remember Mike slater's behaviour against Dravid? McGraw using four letter profanities against Sarwan?If they are not guilty, how can Bajji be?
You very well conveyed the feelings of most Indians who are furious about what happened in Sydney. Your article also point out that ICC has not been able to stop referees from interpreting the rules differently for different people. Rashid Latif is penalized but Ponting isn't, McGrath wasn't penalized, but sarwan was, six indian players suspened in a test match for excessive appealing, but no Aussie has ever been punished. Bucknor has had something against the Indians and Sydney is not the first time for sure. if sledging needs to be stopped then first punish the Aussies who are the most arrogant, meanest, and unsporting players. They call it playing hard and ICC has accepted it. If anyone gives it back then ICC wouldn't like it. it's time that ICC looks into its own conduct. In the meantime...carry on Prem...
Its all about Justice.. Correct.. so what if Harbhajan is acqitted? Shouldn't ICC take some actions against Symonds for reporting sledging ? If not that means any one can report about anyone and get away with that?
Now my second thought. .why he lebelled charges.. Symonds was out 3 times and accepted the fact that he was out. Duh!! what did I do.. how do I get out of this err!! from CA (Cricket Australia) or Ricki.. blame it or divert it ..and Believe it or not.. he did it so well.. no one is talking about his actions during the game.
RE:What about Symonds.??
by lalit jha on Jan 09, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
Ricki has turned this national game of his country in national shame by his acts.
RE:Macaca
by Prem on Jan 09, 2008 01:39 AM Permalink
But the question is ...did he say it??? based o nnews I read.. the suspention was done only based on the statement given by Hayden.. no one else heard it.. Not even Umpires/Sachin/Ricki or Clark..
RE:Macaca
by Seenu Subbu on Jan 09, 2008 02:05 AM Permalink
Dude, that was during the Australian tour, in Baroda, in INDIA! Harbhajan apologized to Symmonds in privacy, and the issue was resolved to their satisfaction, which means, the issue is CLOSED. Had Symmonds chosen to pursue this all the way to "justice", at that time, Harbhajan would have been out of the Australia tour by now. But that's water under the bridge, and the Sardar chooses to get into trouble all the time. Having said that, Indian teams for ages have borne the brunt of racist behavior, but have never so far been accused of racist behavior against West Indies, Bangladesh, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Pakistan or Sri Lanka. Why would they pick one black guy from Australia to humiliate?
RE:Macaca
by Amar Kumar on Jan 09, 2008 01:58 AM Permalink
Rishi, I am only responding to Prem Panicker's rant that Monkey is not a racial word and that his wife calls him one too. I only pointed instances that show that Monkey is indeed a racial slur and that Prem Panicker's argument was flawed.
RE:Macaca
by rishi itsjustrishi on Jan 09, 2008 02:15 AM Permalink
Amar - The argument is not on whether Monkey is a racial slur or not. But has harbhajan said it? Nobody knows, infact sachin says Bhajji hasnt. So on what ground should Bhajji be punished?
RE:Macaca
by Amar Kumar on Jan 09, 2008 01:43 AM Permalink
Prem Panicker has written above that independent sources have told him that Harbhajan indeed called Symonds a Monkey.
Look, lets be fair and balanced. Harbhajan deserves punishment and I dont see why BCCI is shielding him.
RE:Macaca
by Maulesh Bhatt on Jan 09, 2008 02:33 AM Permalink
Please read the report once again. Here is what is significant:
In Sydney, Symonds accused Bajji of using the same form of insult. Ponting took it to the umpires, who took it to the match referee. So far, we have no problems - and do note that if Bajji did in fact use that epithet, after he had been told by the player about its implications for him, and why it hurts, then Bajji deserves all the punishment prescribed by cricketing law, and none of us here have a problem with that.
The question is, did he?
There is no credible witness who actually heard Harbhajan actually say is in the Sydney test and you can not use the utteracne from the past (Baroda incident as reported).
RE:Macaca
by rishi itsjustrishi on Jan 09, 2008 01:53 AM Permalink
Mr. Amar you better gather some facts before you make such statements. One should write thoughtfully and not just scrible like the way YOU SCRAP IN ORKUT. The law doesnt believe in independent sources of a third party but ONLY EVIDENCE.
RE:RE:Macaca
by Indian on Jan 09, 2008 02:08 AM Permalink
Excuse me sir. Prem panicker has referred about the incident during 'Australian tour of India' happened few months back. During that time only, Bhajji called Symonds a Monkey. The question is whether he did the same during this Sydney test? or not.
RE:Macaca
by Deep Indian on Jan 09, 2008 04:20 AM Permalink
Would calling him a deer or a rabbit be racism also? You seem to have done a PHD on racism.
RE:Macaca
by Indian on Jan 09, 2008 02:09 AM Permalink
Excuse me sir. Prem panicker has referred about the incident during 'Australian tour of India' happened few months back. During that time only, Bhajji called Symonds a Monkey. The question is whether he did the same during this Sydney test? or not.
