Why don't you make a list of matches that we benefited because of our umpires patriotism
Here is a list i can think of right on top of my head,i am sure there are tonnes of these
1)Marcus Trescothick in Calcutta during Englands tour in 2001-2002 when he was not out he was given out LBW when he scored more than 120 runs and was taking England to victory
2)Graham Thorpe given by Umpire Javed AKthar of Pak during Eng Ind WCUp 1999 match when he was clearly not out
3)More than 4 or 5 decisions going against Pak during their match against India in 1999 Delhi Test where more than 2 of Kumble's 10 Wicket Haul belong to Umpire AV Jayaprakash.
4)Sachin benefiting more than once during NZL tour to India in 1999 in which Martin Crowe Compared Tendulkar to a diety and hence our umpires being afraid to give him out fearing a crowd trouble
5)Jadeja clearly caught behind and the umpire adjusting his hat on the way to giving him out during Ind SLanka series in 1996
and many many other incidents.
What about Dhoni claiming a bump catch in England of Kevin Pieterson where he was ruled not out after walking off?
What about Sachin benefiting in the first Innings?
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by sthitaprajnya soumya on Jan 07, 2008 06:04 AM Permalink
Mr Raman , it seems u r an idiot. This was bucknor's bad decisions against India. 5 list whatever you made are officiated by diff men. And also these are one per match. You point no1 is only match where decision made the difference. No 2 - thrope was the last recongizing batsman with more than 130 run to score where reruire run rate was more than 6. No3 - I can't find any on=f the decision wrong. though couple were close call, but definately not wrong. no4 - what;s that ??? no5 - india lost the match to srilanka
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by Raman on Jan 07, 2008 06:24 AM Permalink
Its not me,u guys r the idiots and also in deep denial,u guys r laughing stock,so if Bucknor erred 4 times its not ok and AV Jayaprakash gave 2 outs that were not out is ok? So how many biased decisions a umpire is allowed? The fact is all home umpires cheat and sometimes neutral ones too,we got no right to complain only when it goes wrong against us,vote for technology or shut up and move on. Did any of u guys even watch the matches i had mentioned in my list or u all just started watching cricket now,the fact that ur trying to abuse in itself proves truth has hurt u all. Dont throw stones living in a glass house.
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by Raman on Jan 07, 2008 06:28 AM Permalink
hey JM
no 4:pak match in delhi 1999,go read rediffs review on that match,it was very clear umpire AV jayaprakash gave so many bad decisions against Pak in that match,then answer me,im sure ull say its ok to cheat against pak right cause shakoor rana cheated with england? well then shut up when pak cheats against us or aus cheats against us. as far no5 in which slanka won that game,but dont u think that was blatant cheating by that umpire and arent u ashamed of it?oh prolly not cause slanka won,so u will be ashamed when india wins due to a cheat is that how it is? do u have any sense when u say only losing matches count for punishing cheats? just admit it that ur all jealous of aussies and cant digest incompetence from our cheat umpires,u guys whine the same way Wasim AKram whined in 1999 tour to AUS...
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by Raman on Jan 07, 2008 06:34 AM Permalink
finally i wrote a post without abusing u all,but u all seem to be low class people to not understand decency that ur word is not the final and its u who need to first read clearly what i wrote before barking out here,ur the type of people who go stone our players homes,u guys just need some release for ur frustrations i guess
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by JM on Jan 07, 2008 07:18 AM Permalink
Your type of people are hi-class pseudo-intellectual who accept status quo.
It is because of people like you that ICC will get away with anything. Bucknor has been given a rating of ZERO how many times by Indian captains? How may teams have said he needs to use hearing aid? but he continues to officiate in a elite capaticy.
By the way if you see something wrong, we have the strength to call it wrong and protest.
Someone will violate your wife one day and instead of protesting, be the hi-class pseudo-intellectual you are and call it- "what is done is done". K-padi Raman
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by JM on Jan 07, 2008 07:37 AM Permalink
You have not answered my prev questions 1. Umpire's arrogance in denying to use technology and giving wrong decisions 2. One particular umpire- B(F)ucknor repeatedly being partial against Indians. Ganguly gave him a rating of zerp in 2003-2004 but he is persisted as an 'elite' umpire 3. How many 3rd umpires have erred? Any 8-9 year old child could have seen that Symonds' foot was in the air 4. How many times there have been 12 crucial-bad decisions in one match?
Fine then, lets not protest, let BCCI not protest and have deaf, blind, dumb, corrupt Steve Bucknor officiate till he is 90.
Lets not even ask ICC to test eyes/hearing for umpires. Fine..happy now katpadi Raman?
Besides when was it that AV.Jayaprakash did not refer to 3rd umpire while he should have? There is a big difference between errors and 'BLCTANT errors done with ARROGANCE and later substantiated'!
You will never understand this as you are a dim-witted moron! Not calling for the 3rd umpire when they should have and blatantly giving not out on a catch is an error far greater than giving/denying a LBW decision wrongly.
Your hi-class pseudo-intellectual brain has lots of data from mugging but lacks common sense!
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by Raman on Jan 07, 2008 07:39 AM Permalink
Ur the one who is adamant,ur rule is that Indian umpires (who are not even the panel now because of it)can cheat whereas if other country umpires cheat then u will show ur strength..
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by Raman on Jan 07, 2008 07:36 AM Permalink
U have the strength to call it wrong,does our team have the strength to win,what about the first match,why did we looose? Losers whine thats it Where was ur strength when all those bad decisions benefited our team?
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by Raman on Jan 07, 2008 07:26 AM Permalink
U dont get it do u,yea i will not complain if someone violate my wife if i did that to someone,lets say u violate someones wife(like how our umpires cheated)will u have the balls to complain if someone violates ur wife,prolly u would cause ur a hypocrite
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by Girish Cherussery on Jan 08, 2008 05:59 AM Permalink
Mr. Raman, I stand by you in accepting that there have been many rulings that have also gone in India's favor. I also have to agree that most of these decisions are LBW decisions or bat-pad decisions. Now how obvious was it that there was no bat in Symonds's nick and how close was it for Dravid. Human errors happen. But how can the same thing happen in the same test but have 2 different verdicts. Again, how can you not refer to the 3rd umpire a stumping. Umpires today like to err on the side of caution call for 3rd umpire when we can clearly see whats not-out with our naked eyes. Australia did outplay us in Melbourne, but not crediting India's fight back does not put your intelligence in good light. 532 is no meagre #. Tendulkar, Laxman, Ganguly, Harbhajan, all played their role. Please do not laud Aussies for the sake of praising and please do not admonish Indian's for the sake of it. Aussies are the best team for a reason, but they definitely are not showing a good example to the cricket followers. Lara, Gilchrist are great cricketers who are also great sportsmen. But please dont include the rest of the Aussies into it. We lost the test and thats how the record will always state. Did we deserve to lose...I dont think so. We played excellent cricket for 4.5 days. We outplayed the Aussies for most of the Test. Hence the call for fresh thinking in umpiring. There is no harm in having statistics in umpiring errors. They should be kept tab of, just like Inzy's run-outs
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by JM on Jan 07, 2008 05:36 AM Permalink
Hey katpadi Raman, umpires err but the question here is 1. Umpire's arrogance in denying to use technology and giving wrong decisions 2. One particular umpire- B(F)ucknor repeatedly being partial against Indians. Ganguly gave him a rating of zerp in 2003-2004 but he is persisted as an 'elite' umpire 3. How many 3rd umpires have erred? Any 8-9 year old child could have seen that Symonds' foot was in the air 4. How many times there have been 12 crucial-bad decisions in one match?
Did the umpires err consistently? When Dravid was clearly not out with the ball hitting the ground before it was caught, it was referred to the 3rd umpire.
So Mr.Katpadi Raman, dont bark something here without considering the surrounding facts.
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by Keshav on Jan 07, 2008 03:03 AM Permalink
Raman, you are just blabbering like an idiot. It is about one umpire specifically targetting one team. If you are going to go for bad decisions.. there are so many umpires who have given bad decisions to India at so many places. We are not listing everything.
Bucknor idiot did not even call for third umpire when it was absolutely required. Those are not errors. Those are deliberate. You don't distinguish the difference between bias and incompetent. do you
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by IndianReporter on Jan 07, 2008 12:32 PM Permalink
when third umpire was called for Andrew Symonds stumping, we got stumped by his ruling "not out".. so third umpire is also a piece of crank.. remember afridi given not out in pakistan some years ago...ind. eventually lost.
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by Kanchi Thalaivan on Jan 07, 2008 09:39 AM Permalink
day raman u r fool only, the sydney test is the one test in which lot of umpire decisions against india. u understand u r foooooooooool only. if you take statistics of umpiring error there will be lot in cricket history. even that same match ponting was given out by wrong umpiring but has not been given out when he was 5 runs (scored) when he was clearly caught behind so umpire was waiting till ponting complete fifty. you understand the stastics and comment. where ever the truth we have to bow.
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by on Jan 08, 2008 01:56 AM Permalink
Mr. Raman, I do not want to waste my time and brain in arguing with (so called) intellectuals like you. I only have a few things to tell you. Firstly, 'JO AADMI APNE DESH KA NAHI HO SAKTA, WOH DUNIYA MEIN KISI KA NAHI HO SAKTA', and this is a universal truth, 110% applicable on you. I think, west indies or australia would be an ideal place for you to live permanently. These countries badly need (so called)great people and supporters like you. Plz dont continue this online nonsense sitting in India.You yourself know it very well that all the replies you have posted so far are baseless and meaningless. These replies only reflect your stupidity. If you are really so concerned about the Indian team's performance, then I have a nice suggestion for you - Instead of recklessly criticizing and analyzing past performances of Indian cricket team, develop some guts to go on the field, represent India, show your performance and then ask yourself - Are you capable of making India the no. 1 team in the world?? If not, then stop criticizing right now
RE:What about all matches India benefitted because of our umpires
by sagar raj on Jan 08, 2008 01:48 AM Permalink
hey ramesh..u must try going off to austrailia where u will find anglophiles like yourself sooner than later being termed as a "third world slut" or maybe a "paki pig" or smthing better and then maybe something right will eventually hit ur "bright and awakened" mind.... ps:- dude i havnt come across stupider persons than you. you must be one of a kind.
bucknor stinks. he has to be forced to retire. this match is just too much. he's totally biased, and im sorry mr. bucknor yu have to enter into the lexicon for being either a poor umpire, or defintely in the sports lingo for the umpire cheating anyone as being "bucknored"
I have sent them a long email. Take out your frustration on them. That is the best way. That is what viewers of Big Brother did when Shilpa Shetty was abused in UK. People wrote to the main production company and they took some type of action. GO ON PLEASE WRITE JUST A SMALL EMAIL TO ICC TO SAY WHY YOU HATE AUSTRALIAN CRICKETERS AND UMPIRES. AND WHY YOU THINK BCCI ARE NEVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ALL OF THIS... COME ON YOU WASTED 5 DAYS WATCHING THE GAME, 2 MORE MINUTES WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE... I KNOW ICC WON'T DO ANYTHING BUT STILL WORTH A TRY WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE WILL WRITE..
RE:Get Bucknor sacked by writting to ICC:
by agniswar mitra on Jan 06, 2008 09:08 PM Permalink
I whole heartedly agree with you pal. Lets start a movement against is racial abuse. 300 yrs of white rule was enough. Are we going to tolerate any more? These AHs get their from Indian and still we are treated like this. Lets do it, pals....my id is mitra77@rediffmail.com......
RE:Get Bucknor sacked by writting to ICC:
by tarakad sivaraman on Jan 06, 2008 10:17 PM Permalink
Thank you for this action.Here is the letter I sent today to ICC President,Malcolm Speed.I request every Indian cricket lover to sen such mails to ICC to make them render justice to the Indian team.:
Dear Mr.Malcolm Speed, President, ICC.
Dear Mr.Speed, Today at the conclusion of the Sydney Test with Australia, the whole of India is shocked and enraged at the totally incompetent,blind-as-a-bat and deaf display by both the umpires,M/s Steve Bucknor and Mark Benson, which has reduced this test from being a fairly fought match between two teams with a level playing field to a totally farcical result of India losing the match. At crucial stages of the match, both these gentlemen, particularly Steve bucknor, made it a point to offer ridiculous decisions against India, which cost us the match.: 1)Bucknor's decision to give Andrew symonds not out in the first innings, when the television replays clearly showed that he had nicked the ball 2)Bucknor's decision to give Dravid out,caught behind, when the replays showed that he had not touched the ball at all 3)Mark Benson's decision to ask Ponting whether Michael Clark had taken a clean catch off Saurav Ganguly,was the last straw on the camel's back.How can an umpire ask the opposing captain this question? It showed that he was competing with Bucknor for the incompetency award, and was determined to snatch it from Bucknor with this totally horrendous display .And the television replays did show that the catch was not clea
RE:RE:Get Bucknor sacked by writting to ICC:
by tarakad sivaraman on Jan 06, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
My original mail to ICC was truncated.It should read as below:
Dear Mr.Malcolm Speed, President, ICC.
Dear Mr.Speed, Today at the conclusion of the Sydney Test with Australia, the whole of India is shocked and enraged at the totally incompetent,blind-as-a-bat and deaf display by both the umpires,M/s Steve Bucknor and Mark Benson, which has reduced this test from being a fairly fought match between two teams with a level playing field to a totally farcical result of India losing the match. At crucial stages of the match, both these gentlemen, particularly Steve bucknor, made it a point to offer ridiculous decisions against India, which cost us the match.: 1)Bucknor's decision to give Andrew symonds not out in the first innings, when the television replays clearly showed that he had nicked the ball 2)Bucknor's decision to give Dravid out,caught behind, when the replays showed that he had not touched the ball at all 3)Mark Benson's decision to ask Ponting whether Michael Clark had taken a clean catch off Saurav Ganguly,was the last straw on the camel's back.How can an umpire ask the opposing captain this question? It showed that he was competing with Bucknor for the incompetency award, and was determined to snatch it from Bucknor with this totally horrendous display .And the television replays did show that the catch was not cleanly taken.
Mr.Speed this test was just not cricket, but a totally biassed and farcical drama being played by 13 men batting for Aust
RE:RE:RE:Get Bucknor sacked by writting to ICC:
by tarakad sivaraman on Jan 06, 2008 10:23 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Malcolm Speed, President, ICC.
Dear Mr.Speed, Today at the conclusion of the Sydney Test with Australia, the whole of India is shocked and enraged at the totally incompetent,blind-as-a-bat and deaf display by both the umpires,M/s Steve Bucknor and Mark Benson, which has reduced this test from being a fairly fought match between two teams with a level playing field to a totally farcical result of India losing the match. At crucial stages of the match, both these gentlemen, particularly Steve bucknor, made it a point to offer ridiculous decisions against India, which cost us the match.: 1)Bucknor's decision to give Andrew symonds not out in the first innings, when the television replays clearly showed that he had nicked the ball 2)Bucknor's decision to give Dravid out,caught behind, when the replays showed that he had not touched the ball at all 3)Mark Benson's decision to ask Ponting whether Michael Clark had taken a clean catch off Saurav Ganguly,was the last straw on the camel's back.How can an umpire ask the opposing captain this question? It showed that he was competing with Bucknor for the incompetency award, and was determined to snatch it from Bucknor with this totally horrendous display .And the television replays did show that the catch was not cleanly taken.
Mr.Speed this test was just not cricket, but a totally biassed and farcical drama being played by 13 men batting for Australia,including the clownish and incompetent two umpires.It will b
RE:RE:RE:RE:Get Bucknor sacked by writting to ICC:
by tarakad sivaraman on Jan 06, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Malcolm Speed, President, ICC.
Dear Mr.Speed, Today at the conclusion of the Sydney Test with Australia, the whole of India is shocked and enraged at the totally incompetent,blind-as-a-bat and deaf display by both the umpires,M/s Steve Bucknor and Mark Benson, which has reduced this test from being a fairly fought match between two teams with a level playing field to a totally farcical result of India losing the match. At crucial stages of the match, both these gentlemen, particularly Steve bucknor, made it a point to offer ridiculous decisions against India, which cost us the match.: 1)Bucknor's decision to give Andrew symonds not out in the first innings, when the television replays clearly showed that he had nicked the ball 2)Bucknor's decision to give Dravid out,caught behind, when the replays showed that he had not touched the ball at all 3)Mark Benson's decision to ask Ponting whether Michael Clark had taken a clean catch off Saurav Ganguly,was the last straw on the camel's back.How can an umpire ask the opposing captain this question? It showed that he was competing with Bucknor for the incompetency award, and was determined to snatch it from Bucknor with this totally horrendous display .And the television replays did show that the catch was not cleanly taken.
Mr.Speed this test was just not cricket, but a totally biassed and farcical drama being played by 13 men batting for Australia,including the clownish and incompetent two umpires.It will b
Why isnt any one coming out and saying the truth? Australia cheated for a legacy. They didnt want to take the heat so the Umpires took it. Jaffer was bowled off a no-ball. India's stalewarts in the batting field crumpled to apparent umpiring mistakes. Really? Apparent umpy mistakes? We should file a case against them, check their bank balance, look out for payoffs. I think we wont be surprised. We Indians are suckers else this would already be in motion. They should know we are no pushovers!!!
RE:Enough for a case!! Take them to Court!!
by agniswar mitra on Jan 06, 2008 08:52 PM Permalink
Funniest part is the much hallowed BCCI is quite about the whole episode.......Sirs..please wake up.......Cricket Australia screams when Ponting's dog bark...wake up Sirs.
Till yesterday i had lot of respect for you but today everything has gone.... everything.... ur stupid and idiotic decisions has ruined todays match and once again the aussies top the chart....
I really hate the decisions you gave today and also the ur foolish thinking and the way u responded to the foolish appealing by the aussies.
Don't spoil ur name, just ask sorry and fuckoff from the umpering....
Exactly...how many more?......Dont you think its high time you should stop officiating in international cricket. Thanx, Rajneesh for the stats. Just to be soft he didnt mentioned the moments of those One dayers where all wished why a lightning didnt struck you. I can never fathom the reason, why you are so anti indian, not that care also. But the fact that you screw our chances now and then bugs me. You yourself and God know your motive. Just wanted to say that you and that stupid Benson single handedly destroyed a superb series on the offing. Nothing against Benson as he is simple incompetent. I dont care what Mr. Speed says about you two. The bottom line is that now a days your presence on the turf sucks. An advice for you. Never visit India without ample security. Cos all the time Sachin cant be there to pacify the crowd as he did in Eden. Best of Luck, old fagin.
Rajneesh, one request. Since I cant do, If possible display this where the bigwigs including the honchos of BCCI can read. Please do it for the country sake. Signing off.
RE:Hello dear Bucknor
by Sumit Srivastava on Jan 06, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
I completely agree here with you Agni. This test match will always be remembered for the appalling umpiring of Bucknor/Benson and not because Australia went on to win it. I wonder if there is a fitness test for umpires too before the matches - just like the players. Australia have again shown that they can fall to any low depths to win, and that includes unfair play, excessive appealing and intimidating the umpires . Reporting Harbhajan Singh for racial abuse against Symonds was a move directed to keep Harbhajan out of the game and negate any impact he may make on the course of the series. Shameful, unprofessional and scandalous win for Australia.
