as long as Dravid was captain of Indian cricket team, he was showered with praise and now, as he is not in that position, brickbats galore! incredible India!
Rediff should have interviewed Dilip Vengsarkar,Chairman of Selectors instead of interviewing Mr Borde, who was selected as a stopgap arrangement. Vengsarkar was hell bent on giving captaincy to Sachin and ebverybody can clearly follow/read between the lines about what he said in his press statements regarding captaincy and Sachin.Powerful Regional Lobby and Politics is responsible for the deterioration of Indian Cricket.
RE:RE:Dravid
by Lakshmoji on Sep 17, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Very correct.
I was a fan of Vengy when he was in Indian team, now I hate him.
Leaving aside Drivid's issue... if I am not opening one more controversial topic... 1. Why is Agarkar played again and again? Whole world knows that he is very costly bowler. His bowling never improves with age and experience. It was Kiran More earlier and now Vengy to play him in team.
2. What is the flexibility of Ramesh Pawar? Is he a fit to today's limited overs cricket?
3. Why is Gautam Gambhir preferred a ahead of Uthappa? Is it to satisfy the North lobby because Sharad Pawar was supported by anti-Dalmia lobby from North?
If these many questions are to be answered, how can we expect the players like Dravid (who do not have any God Father) to take the decisions|
RE:sachin and marathis - ROTTEN COMMUNITY OF INDIA
by Ajay Satpute on Sep 17, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
I donno what insensible, idiotic community u belong to and calling ur self 'indianpatriot' is a shame to this country. People like u create unrest in the country and should be thrown on some distant planet where there'll b nothing like a community. Please stop commenting on communities. Talk about the player and his performance. Grow up mister!
RE:RE:sachin and marathis - ROTTEN COMMUNITY OF INDIA
by Useless on Sep 17, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
We indians just know how 2 fight over communities, religion and what not. That's why we'll never progress. We have no unity.
RE:sachin and marathis - ROTTEN COMMUNITY OF INDIA
by Pravin Patil on Sep 17, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
Look who is talking...named Indianpatriot and doesn't even dare to reveal his/her own name...probabaly u r ashamed of ur name and ur breed We have Sachin, Sunil gavasakar, Lokamanya Tilak, Rajguru, Dr. Ambedakar to name a few We don't fight against who know how to make money but against those who ONLY know to make money If they know to make money ask them to go and make money in their states, why do they need to come to Mumbai to make money
RE:RE:sachin and marathis - ROTTEN COMMUNITY OF INDIA
by bharat on Sep 17, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
Pravin, No need to go all out justify how Marathi's are. Those who are trying to make this a regional/lingustic issue are themselves showing how cheap and rotten they are. Remember, a crow's curse cannot kill a cow. Let them keep cursing.
RE:RE:sachin and marathis - ROTTEN COMMUNITY OF INDIA
by Maha Stud on Sep 17, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
chup be ghati ..... jabhi muh kholta hain ... kichar nikalta hain.... aise bol raha hain ki ... sirf ghati lok ne India ko banaya hain
RE:RE:sachin and marathis - ROTTEN COMMUNITY OF INDIA
by sameer naik on Sep 17, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
I marathis are rotten get out of mumbai and maharashtra dont stay with rotten people.Its like staying with us eating from our hands and abusing us.
What a Joke? Mr. Borde manager of the Indian cricket team at the age of 73. Maybe for the next world cup BCCI should send its team of players aging more than 40 and 50. Its disgusting to see how the way BCCI is handling with making controvies.
RE:Clear Politician's
by Rajput on Sep 17, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Maharastra politics trying to capture BCCI, very sad and unfair for Bengal, Andhra and Delhi players........Ajit Agarkar the classic case of being the worst but still playing
RE:Clear Politician's
by Andy Louis on Sep 17, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
ya get all the worst from rest of India as well...Boy thats the best available to India currently. live with it..else stop watching cricket.. You cannot jump and pump here on this rediff forum. Selection is done at BCCI. They take the call. Don't like it? watch ICL.
Its Really Surprising,At 33 he says he wants to concentrate on Batting? How Long does he think he can do so.he should have shouldered the responsibilty ,and continued with captaincy played for a year or two so that an alternative youngster could be put in his place,RATHER THAN LOOKING INTO The OLDIES For Replacement Of Captaincy,Who are not at all sure of having any steam in them.
RE:Dravids Decission
by Indraneel Mandal on Sep 17, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
I agree fully. I feel that Dravid has acted in a most selfish manner. A captain is supposed 2 b the lst person to leave a sinking ship. Bt Dravid decided 2 dive 1st. Dat 2 when da ship ws cruising along. Along with 10dulkr & Sourav, Dravid will b around 4 barely 2-3yrs. Under Dravid's captaincy, the 3 should have shepherded the team until a new young & capable captain emerged. Dravid's action may give rise 2 a choatic situation where evrybody concntrates more on lobbying for positions rather than concentrating on the tough tours ahead. The ultimate tragedy is that all this had to happen just when the team had begun performing so well on international tours. All because "The Wall" had no stomach 4 a good fight.
RE:Misleading title!!
by talluri r on Sep 17, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
The title seems to be to attract the readers but it is absolutely wrong on the part of rediff.com to name the title so.
Dravid's decision to quit as captain is really surprising but what if the board accepts the resignation. The honorable president of the board should have also tendered his resignation and focus on his ministry and give charge to ex cricketers who can really bring talent and keep politics away from sport We should have a system similar to Autralia where the board is run by the professionals.In India it is like the film song it " happens only in India" that the board is having a commitee where there is no single cricketer of repute and it is more politically motivated.Its really shocking that instead of giving charge to ex cricketers our politicians are on the board and selection of the team in the name of the selectors look all humbug.Example is the selection of player like Agarkar who is still in the team inspite of underperformance.Our board should have professionals so that we can become number one country in cricket rankings like Australia.
RE:cricket
by talluri r on Sep 17, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
God save India from politicians. Patriotism , integrity and feeling for united India lacks the Indian politians.
What brainwave prompted Haresh Pandya & the team of editors at Rediff to think such sidey schoolboy tricks would help generate more %u201Cclicks%u201D ?? Is the need to sensationalize so great ?
Imbeciles!!! That's the word that comes to mind ,,
For Indian cricket to improve the following things must happen:
Selfish #1: Sunil Gavaskar must be thrown out of any form of association in Indian cricket & commentary
Selfish #2: Sachin Tendulkar, the man who cunningly scores in unwanted series and tours and that too in flat pitches and convinces his chamchas (fans) of his so called abilities should be sacked.
He cant score a century in Perth against the bowling of Lee, Clarks, Taits and Johnsons...
He is the most troublesome senior player in the team and his so called humble and modest attitude is a farce. He throws his weight around in the team and is considered as a human baggage.
Like how UPA government is facing problem with Left, Dravid faced problems with Sachin Tendulkar
RE:improve
by SURYA NARAYAN MURTHY on Sep 17, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Mr Kulkarni is not in control and seems he wants to replace Sachin as an allrounder.
He scored first hundred in England and when he arrived at the crease, India was in daire state. Sachin guided India to safety and if few more overs available, He would have tried for victory.
He is talking about Sachin's centuries on Life less pitches.
Sachin scored brilliant Hundred in Perth- Aus. In 1996, In Soth Africa he scored 169 when India was in a bad shape. Same thing he repeated in South Africa by scoring 155 in 2001.
He scored a brillinat 136 against Pakistan in 1999 in a lost battle which was lively pitch.
Sachin scored well made Century & Half century in Melbourne in 2000.
In west Indies though he scored 2 hundreds, he was given out in 80's & 90's many times.
In Headingly He scored 193 on overcast day in 2002. Earlier also in 1996, he scored brilliant 177 in England in 1996.
Many more innings fetched him scores of 50 - 99 in Tests. On top of it He scored 41 Hundreds & 82 fifties with many 80's and 90's throughout the world.
He is not taking wickets with Muralidharan's speed & economy.
Mr Warne, Muralidhar, Lara, Mcgrath, Viv Rich, Dravid, Ponting etc considered him as the best player on any pitch and any adverse conditions.
So if One Mr Kulkarni is not happy, nothing happens and he should stop watching sports on any channel and he should start watching Mickie Mouse, Mr Bean etc.,
RE:improve
by Useless on Sep 17, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Exactly Mr. Murthy, ppl like Mr. Kulkarni just know how 2 blame others. If he thinks Sachin is selfish then why doesn't he takes up arms and go 2 the border 2 defend our country and show how unselfish he is?
RE:improve
by santosh kumar on Sep 17, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
Nilesh, I now sense that Sachin is so much cunning & shrewd....I understood him very recently. I'm a psychologist & will be able to interpret expressions, emotions & body language to an extent.. I think sachin was the main reason for avoiding the follow on which was supposed to be slapped on england & I'm sure that dravid is resigning & off all the factors which have led to this, sachin's wanting to captain against australia & pakistan is one of the reason....Dravid seems to be a gentleman that sachin isnt....he might have scored runs but stooping to such a low does not add to his dimension....he acts so great in front of the camera that clearly shows that he is not what he is really.....crooked cookie that is burnt wholesome inside & looks great outside
RE:RE:improve
by Useless on Sep 17, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
Mr. Santosh plz improve ur psychology, and Mr. Nilesh plz stop 2 curse anybody. We indians just know how 2 curse. If Tendulkar is a selfish then name some players who r not selfish!(perhaps u, u think so much of our country) c'mon, I challenge u.
RE:improve
by chella krishna on Sep 17, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Nilesh Kulkarni is absolutely right. By the way are you the tall spinner who played for India for a brief period
RE:improve
by Kashyap negandhi on Sep 17, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
I agree with you on Gavaskar. But Sachin is different. No other cricketer has perfromed for the nation other than Sachin. He has performed against Austrlia in Perth. Plz check his stats. poor guy always gets a the flak becoz of others.
RE:improve
by Rajendra Deshpande on Sep 17, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
Dear Kulkarni What are you writting man? What is your problem? Trow him, it is left vs UPA problem, chamchas? I think you are mixing lot of issues. Our Tendulakr is the greatest batsman and very good humanbeing. Do you remeber during his cricketing career he made any loose remarks or any criticisam he made? So many people use to criticise him but he never uttered single word his bat use to speak what is required to speak. I really don't understand your one sided critisism on world greatest batsman.
RE:improve
by Gaurav Agrawal on Sep 17, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Mr.Nilesh u seem to be taking out your personal frustation on Sachin Tendulkar.He has been a pillar for iNDIAN CRICKET, WHO NOT ONLY GAVE US iNDIANS TO BE PROUD OF BUT ALSO MADE WORLD RECOGNIZE THAT INDIA AS A SPORTS NATION HAS SPORTSPERSON TO BE PROUD OF.Its very easy to pick out negatives in ppl and then exagerate them to make them sound as the worst thing in world but very difficult to praise someone's achievements and take them as inspirations. He can score at any ground under any situation and he does not need to prove himself after scoring almost 25000 International Runs. So its better u sit out and stop blaming Sachin unnecessarily on Indian Team performance and captaincy issue.
RE:improve
by gagan tagore on Sep 17, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
nilesh i do agree with you we do not remeber when sachin led the team to victory when everybody scoring he is scoring. more then 100 test he played how many he single handly takes to win. ganguly the only player who played for the country when he was the captain then so called future of the team intorduced. the great ifran pathan who sided with guru greg forget only ganguly took him to australia with out played a single match of ranji. dravid no doubt ia great player but poor leader so i belive he has done the good for indian cricket. so look for present series the ganguly is the best choice.
RE:improve
by tarun bera on Sep 17, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
gagan bhai, are you a supporter of indian cricket team or a bengal cricket? Ganguly may accepted as non playing captain sitting in dressing room, where need not to be move his feet.Bhai advice to join him in bengal politics where he fits.please dont think about Indian Cricket, make atleast a Utthappa by advicing Mr.Haridas(Gautom Bhatyacharia & Debasis Dutta agent of DADA)in bengal cricket.
RE:RE:improve
by Ifear paceman on Sep 17, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
Kolkata, 1990: Not yet 17, Sourav Ganguly made his first class debut in the Ranji Trophy final against Delhi. His brother Snehashis Ganguly, a brilliant left-hander who was going through a lean phase, was dropped to accommodate Sourav. The decision made headlines, though it had nothing to do with the crisp 22 he made in the match which Bengal won.
Kolkata, 1993: Playing for Mohun Bagan against East Bengal in the P. Sen Trophy final, Sourav was heckled by the opposition while he was batting. After taking a catch to win the match, he threw the ball at the spectators who were cheering the opposition. They responded with a volley of stones and abuse. He responded in kind, though later he wrote an apology to the Cricket Association of Bengal.( now tell me what Chappel did to crowd booing India team and supporting South Africa. Was it wrong?} or the crowd which should be condemned?
Hyderabad, 1995: Playing for India A against India Seniors in the Challenger Cup, Sourav was involved in a run out with Rahul Dravid. Both of them were trying to get into the national team (they eventually made it) then. There were a few raised eyebrows at the end of the match as Dravid was batting fluently when he got out going for an easy single.
RE:RE:improve
by Rogar Dat on Sep 17, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
arey dont u know ... his father was clean bathroom of ganguly.... so he knew all these stuff :)
RE:improve
by RAHUL KATE on Sep 17, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
Rightly Said Nilesh, I Strongly Agree with you. Sachin and Sunny both played for their personal records and they didnt cared about the Team's Victory. As soon as Sachin reach 35 his SRR decreses because he wants to score a 50, then as soon as he reach 75 or 80 the same thing because he wants to score a 100. So when India needs a runrate of 6 he bats at around 3 just because he dont want to play some silly shot and get out and miss his centuries. Sachin is missing his Centuries these days just because of his Karma, he played for records through out his career and didnt thought for the team's victory so he is facing these problems.
Sunny & Sachin are the Most Selfish Cricketers I have ever Seen.
On the contrary I salute Virender Sehwag who has Guts to Hit a Sixer to finish his 300 Runs.
RE:improve
by Rajendra Deshpande on Sep 17, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
I feel Sachin Tendulkar is the best cricketer India has ever produced and I feel sorry for Mr. Kulkarni to pass such remarks about a greatest batsman. Why don't you remember the time when he was made captain, Mohammad Azhruddin other players didnot co-operated hime and they ensured that India to loose each and every test. Almost majority of the players were non-co-operating and even working against Sachin Tendulkar. We Indian should feel proud of the kind cricket our country has produced rather than be jaleous of his skill and capability. Even during 2003 world cup when he was in superb form he was denied the balling in order to ensure that he shouldnot get player of the tournament award but finally he got it. Sachin Tendulkar got out so many times due to bad umpiring and got harrassed in his own country's team due to the jaleousy of his capabilities. Why Rahul Dravid declared the inning when Sachin Tendulkar was on 194 runs? How much more time he is going to spend to get another six runs? Hardly 5 ~ 10 mins more but Rahul Dravid declared the inning but still Sachin Tendulkar contributed for the team. We always blame him that he is playing for his own records and whenever he scoring the runs India don't win. This is a negative thinking. Can any cricketer play like this? Cricket is a game of uncertainity and no cricketer can decide when he has to play or not. So my dear friends instead of blamming others first you check about yourself and your achievements.
RE:improve
by Dhaya karthik on Sep 17, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
Come on man... If you feel this one guy is good for nothing... Then what about the other 10 people in the team..
Dont just bang on Tendulkar... And your comparision of Tendu and Left is pathetic....
RE:improve
by Shivarama Krishna on Sep 17, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
Kulkarni pity on u for making such disgraceful remarks on Tendulkar,whole world has gone gaga on this guy, even Sir Donald Bradman,VIV richards, Garey Sobers,Shane warne, Brain Lara, Glenn Macgrath all hailed him as of the greatest batsmen ever of there era, we should be proud of the fact that he is Indian. what more he has to achieve and prove to the world, rather it's shame on Indian team and selectors It's shame on us and selectors for still depending on Tendulkar rather then grooming a youngster like Tendulkar, don't expect him to every match India plays.
Wake up man, be proud for a Indian who has achieved so many feats
RE:improve
by Useless on Sep 17, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
People like Kulkarni wud hav criticized even Sir Bradman, Warne, or Viv. Since they have no jobs all they can do is 2 criticize somebody. Thanx god they didn't play 4 india.
RE:improve
by Ifear paceman on Sep 17, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Nilesh why do you worry ?
Our Dada will make mincemeat of australian bowling need not worry.
He will directly look into eyes of Brett Lee Tait etc. agressively. They fear Dada. And in mean time Tendulkar Dravid Laxman Uthappa will score runs against them.
As usual bowling will get thrashed but then Ranadeb will come and beat Ponting and others. Ganguly will catch diving. Every thing will be allright. And if these Lee and Tait & company do not get disturbed by Dada's agressive postures we shall keep two cammondos around Dada so they wont show any agression towards Dada. And what for afterall the shirt is he will wave it around. If situation goes beyond control don%u2019t worry he is great leader pant is also at his disposal.
If Dada gets into trouble with Hayden or Symonds like strong men still he will use his Super intelligence. He keeps spinach like in Popeye show.in his pocket he will eat it and then zoom%u2026.. Hayden or Symonds or anybody are gone with the wind%u2026%u2026
If this thing fails plan B will come into picture. We shall call Australians at Eden Gardens and boo them. If they show finger or any thing we shall call Naxalites to do the job.
plan C We will ask all NDTV Times now cameramans specially bengali journos to edit cut those shots to inspire Indians. Still if the things fail we shall call Boria Mujumdar to Disfigure all stats and show that we have actually won against Australia.
Is it not simple? Then why do you spoil your peace
RE:improve
by Indraneel Mandal on Sep 17, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
When parochialism is such an integral part of our blood, is it any surprise that Indians fare so poorly in team sports? If we think of ourselves only as Bengalis, Marathis, South Indians, etc., what's the point in talking about India and 'Mera Bharar Mahaan'? Disband all Indian sporting teams. Lets rename our national championships as the World Championships like the US. That way no ICL vs IPL problem. And we can continue abusing one another on the basis of region, caste, creed. INDIA IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE STATES!
RE:RE:improve
by Saibal Paul on Sep 17, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
Hi Ifearpacean, Do you think you have written a piece-de-resistance that you need to paste this messege all over the place? We all know you hate bongs and dada but do you realize this msg is completely out of context? You suck man
RE:RE:improve
by Ifear paceman on Sep 17, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
why was my first message was repeated abuse when it was in correct place... so deleting sucks.... I never was against bongs but you made it like that.
You people have spoiled joy of every cricket loving fan ever since Ganguly was dropped. And all acrobatics made to reinstate him....
Have you seen any of my message hating any other cricketer from any part of country?...
Fact is you gang up against any body who speak slightly against any Bong... Even if there is truth in it.
RE:RE:RE:improve
by Rogar Dat on Sep 17, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
now now ... some can feel dat bongz has spoiled the joy ... hilarious !! from da day one u were against bongs n NOT ganguly ... u were short of logic ... so started to show how humorous u r ..eh !!
mabbe ur DAD feared paceman .. n got his ball knocked of ...dats y u too fear pacema !!
RE:improve
by santosh kumar on Sep 17, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
Nilesh, I now sense that Sachin is so much cunning & shrewd....I understood him very recently. I'm a psychologist & will be able to interpret expressions, emotions & body language to an extent.. I think sachin was the main reason for avoiding the follow on which was supposed to be slapped on england & I'm sure that dravid is resigning & off all the factors which have led to this, sachin's wanting to captain against australia & pakistan is one of the reason....Dravid seems to be a gentleman that sachin isnt....he might have scored runs but stooping to such a low does not add to his dimension....he acts so great in front of the camera that clearly shows that he is not what he is really.....crooked cookie that is burnt wholesome inside & looks great outside
