the most important of this winning ODI series is to have consistent middle order batting who stayed on the crease and ensured victory...Dhoni and Yuvraj are great finishers....and watching them doing the job was a gorgeous sight......Indian team under Dhoni captaincy will go miles.....earlier the team used to collapse once the great guns are out......salutations to Yuvraj and Dhoni both...this is great team in making...
RE:RE:Top Class Performance
by Akhil on Nov 16, 2007 05:59 AM Permalink
Dont predict anything. The series down under will be real test for DHOBI's skills.
RE:RE:RE:Top Class Performance
by Carydrek on Nov 16, 2007 06:04 AM Permalink
Wat I am reiterating here is here the intetion, approach, thoughts and plans.......watever the outcome of execution is, who cares....
By the way, Aussies still couldnt digest their 20-20 loss despite winning ODIs...go and check Aussie news papers mate
RE:Top Class Performance
by Amitabh on Nov 16, 2007 07:06 AM Permalink
Even one days were close.With a little bit of luck the outcome of the series could easily have ben 3-3.
RE:Top Class Performance
by Carydrek on Nov 16, 2007 06:04 AM Permalink
Wat I am reiterating here is here the intetion, approach, thoughts and plans.......watever the outcome of execution is, who cares....
By the way, Aussies still couldnt digest their 20-20 loss despite winning ODIs...go and check Aussie news papers B*O*Y*O
I've posted this quite a few times, for all the people complaining about Ganguly being in the team at Dravid's expense. Posting it again for those genuinely asking -
1. Main reason he is a batting all rounder, meaning when the pitch conditions suit the team he can do part of the 5th bowlers job pretty decently, thereby allowing the team to play an extra batsman or extra good fielder. 2. He is a senior player and plays well with Sachin. Sachin himself has told that he would like Ganguly in the team because the 2 of them play well together. Sachin likes the stability of Ganguly top of the order, and the left-right combination.
Those are the main reason, but the no 1. reason is the most important.
Neither Dravid, nor Laxman are bowlers, therefore they are 1 dimensional players. They are also not outstanding fielders. Therefore even though Ganguly is pathetic in the field, its his bowling which is lending balance to the side.
In fact the extended batting line up which we possess now, with Pathan being a regular batsman coming in at 8 is because Ganguly is doubling up as the 5th bowler.
Thats the thinking in the current selection committee. They want players who can do more than one thing (multi-dimensional) for the ODI side at least.
Dravid and Laxman dont fit this bill. They cant fulfill the 5th bowler slot.
Thats a genuine answer.
If you want to yell and scream go ahead, but if you want the real answer to your question, you've got it !
RE:Real reason why Ganguly is in the ODI team and Dravid isnt
by Akhil on Nov 16, 2007 05:58 AM Permalink
I m posting it again for u Chandra...Go thru this...
Dear Chandra...Wait for some time. U'll see ur so called good batsmen and fielders Uthappa and Gambhir Struggling with bat and field in Australia. The wicket in Australia is totally different where ball bounces a lot apart from swinging. Staying at the wicket itself a big task in Australia. Though India has played good cricket in England and SA this year, Aus is different experience. Dravid, tendulkar and Laxman and upto certain extent Yuvi r the only player capable of playing and staying at the wickets in Australia. Mark my words, Gambhir will be a big failure in Australia. Uthappa will struggle due to his inability to move his foot. Dont want to say anything abt Ganguly. The lesser it is mentioned, it is better
RE:Real reason why Ganguly is in the ODI team and Dravid isnt
by S Chandra on Nov 16, 2007 06:13 AM Permalink
Ok, we'll see. I do agree that cricket in Australia is played at a different level. Its the ultimate u'r right about that. But i seriously think the current lot of Indian players have it in them to put a good show in Australia. But ya, we'll c. Nobody can predict the future. Im just telling what the current thinking is in the selection committee.
If the youngsters (including Dhoni) fail in Australia, then its a different story.
But since I have watched so many teams go to Australia and come a cropper, out of all the Indian teams, since Kapil Dev's time, this one seems to be the one most likely to give a tough time to Aussie (including SreeSanth)
Friends, I am Lotiya Pathan, great fan of ganguly. Yesterday I have watched full match by
awaking in the night in Tokyo.
My observation; 1. Ganguly was great player, he is achieved what he wanted, 10 K run in ODI plus 100
wickets. But yesterday, he was looking tired during the fielding, may be age factor. There
was lack of enthusiam in his body language. During saving a boundry, he was struggling. I am not agnst him, but I strognly believe that this is the right time that he should
gracefully take retirement, and thus creating opportuinity for youngsters. He can play Test
matches for 1 or 2 series and take retirement from that format too.
2. Tendulkar: He was great, He is great and he will remain great. I have not seen any better
batsman than tendulkar in my life. He is God of cricket. Wow, the way he was playing
yesterday..no one can describe in his paper. one should have lucky to have watching such
wonderful shots. It was just great. With this form, I have no doubt that he would be one of
the prime member of WC-2011. People who critises him are really mad, do not have any real
understanding of cricket.
3. Dravid: Wow, what a great batsman he is !! He is wall of test cricket. After sacked of
ODI, he made consecutive hundreds in ranji match agnst Mumbai and Punjab respectively. This
shows, how class batsman he is !! So apart from regionalism, we must all agree, he is gem.
RE:pls comment !!
by Lotiya Pathan on Nov 16, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
contn: I wish, if we all indian are able to met out well treatment to him. I am waiting for him comeback to provide solidity in the middle order.
4. Yuvraj-Dhoni: just great, matured enough to understand the need of ODI format. Well played. Both are future of India.
RE:RE:pls comment !!
by Akhil on Nov 16, 2007 05:56 AM Permalink
Lotiya, DHOBI will struggle in Australia. We saw that in SA and England. Dhobi can play only on subcontinent wickets.
RE:pls comment !!
by Lotiya Pathan on Nov 16, 2007 06:14 AM Permalink
I dont think so, Akhil. He is having strong mental power, would be hamaring aus bowler.
RE:pls comment !!
by S Chandra on Nov 16, 2007 08:36 AM Permalink
Nope, he will play quite well in Australia, cos he likes bounce, where the ball comes onto the bat. He made a 100 in Faislabad on fast pitch against full steam Shoaib Akhtar and hit him out of the park in his backyard !
Dhoni is not afraid of pace, he plays well against it. He'll do well in Australia.
RE:pls comment !!
by Akhil on Nov 16, 2007 05:55 AM Permalink
Hi Lotiya, Good match too see y'day though not tht interesting. Though I m not a gr8 fan of sachin, but it was him who made the middle order batsmen to chase the target easily with RR of quite below 5.0 per over. My Analysis : * Ganguly should think of retiring from ODI otherwise he will be kicked off. * Gambhir should seriously think of improving his technique. He can only play the cover drive or shots coming down the wicket. He doesnt know how to pull the short balls and gets out very easily that way. His batting skills will be a worry in Aussie tour. * Uthappa should have been promoted so that he can get some confidence in his batting since he hasn't anything remarkable in this series so far. * Murali Kartik should not be removed at any cost. That will demotivate him. * Even though Sehwag played well, he doesnt deserve a place in the squad. Because he plays in 1 match and the following 8-10 matches, goes out on single digits. * Yuvraj should bowl the middle overs at 5-6. He can be removed if he goes for runs after 2-3 overs. Yuvraj should learn the leg spin bowling (chinaman) which will help him bowl googlies. * Rohit Sharma and Praveen Kumar now should be tried at least in last ODI. * Dravid should be back in ODI team. He is anytime better player than Uthappa/Gambhir.
RE:pls comment !!
by sudhir dhar on Nov 16, 2007 06:27 AM Permalink
I don't agree Lotiya. I am not even bong, but Ganguly's was bothered by Chappells documentary which came out this week.He will bounce back.
No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over.
Dravid is a 1 dimensional player. He cant bowl, so he cant contribute to completing a 5th bowler option, thereby enabling the team to play an extra batsman.
This current selection team only needs multi-dimensional players. People who can do more than one thing.
Dravid is not that. Ganguly is.
Thats why he is not going to be in future ODI teams, and Ganguly will continue in ODIs because of his ability to fulfill 5th bowler option.
RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by ninteacha on Nov 16, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
On the contrary, Gangu's one day carreer is over. The earlier he retries the better for him. Otherwise, he will sure be kicked out. Just think, this guy in this form playing one dayers in Australia!!!!!!!.
Gangu fans please accept the reality, Ganguly is well past his prime. Please do not equate his playing in the team as some sort of pride for your region, it is going to bring nothing.
RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by S Chandra on Nov 16, 2007 05:42 AM Permalink
Wrong. Ganguly's ODI career will be longer than Dravid's because of his ability to double up as a 5th bowler.
Wait and see ! U'll see for yourself.
Its Ganguly's ability to be the 5th bowler in the team which is lending balance to the team and allowing the team to play an extra batsman.
Its for this reason that his career will continue for sometime in ODI's. (longer than Dravid's)
RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by Anil Khare on Nov 16, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
I do not agree. Sachin has taken two U-turns in past 6-7 years, the one reversal we are watching now he is restored to his old times excellence. Dravid is a great batsman, he will be back better than ever.
RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by S Chandra on Nov 16, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
We are not talking about his batting. We all know he is a great batsman.
But thats not the point. The point is he is a 1 dimensional player.
He cant bowl, therefore he doesnt add flexibility to the team.
All the new team members, young ones, who cant bowl, Gambhir Uthappa are very good fielders.
Thats why he cant come back into the team. This has nothing to do with Dravid being great as a batsman.
RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by Akhil on Nov 16, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
Dear Chandra...Wait for some time. U'll see ur so called good batsmen and fielders Uthappa and Gambhir Struggling with bat and field in Australia. The wicket in Australia is totally different where ball bounces a lot apart from swinging. Staying at the wicket itself a big task in Australia. Though India has played good cricket in England and SA this year, Aus is different experience. Dravid, tendulkar and Laxman and upto certain extent Yuvi r the only player capable of playing and staying at the wickets in Australia. Mark my words, Gambhir will be a big failure in Australia. Uthappa will struggle due to his inability to move his foot. Dont want to say anything abt Ganguly. The lesser it is mentioned, it is better.
RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by S Chandra on Nov 16, 2007 05:57 AM Permalink
Ok, we'll see. I do agree that cricket in Australia is played at a different level. Its the ultimate u'r right about that. But i seriously think the current lot of Indian players have it in them to put a good show in Australia. But ya, we'll c. Nobody can predict the future. Im just telling what the current thinking is in the selection committee.
If the youngsters (including Dhoni) fail in Australia, then its a different story.
But since I have watched so many teams go to Australia and come a cropper, out of all the Indian teams, since Kapil Dev's time, this one seems to be the one most likely to give a tough time to Aussie (including SreeSanth)
RE:RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by ashish rawat on Nov 16, 2007 04:55 AM Permalink
Raju's expert commenty missing ;)
RE:RE:No matter how much people shout, Dravid's ODI career is over
by Anil Khare on Nov 16, 2007 05:37 AM Permalink
Ganguly is establishing his merit as a pace bowler. After 5-6 more ODIs his runs per over will improve to equal to our renowned pace bowlers. Unfortunately his bowling was always ignored till last 2 ODIs.
There is a no doubt about the class of the Dravid, everyone would like to see in not only in the squad but in eleven. However, it is good sign in the sense that people like Dravid (Raina, Kaif, Karthik) is sitting out. This types of situation brought a fair competition among players, i believe in few time there would be no problem of form, who is not performing is going to out.
One can see the same case with the bowling department as well, Ajit, Munaf, and Pathan are out from test squad, we should support for the person who is performing good.
Based on his from in recent domestic matches, he should deserve for a place but point is that who will bw out since everyone is performing well, let us until some get lost his form.
