RE:TIGER
by rajiv gupta on Mar 30, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
you seem to be bangali fan who don't look beyond their fellow bangali. as far as performance of ganguly is concerened, to me he was one of the main reason for indian loss. both matches in which india lost he was the batsman who himself thrown his wicket.
so don't be only a bangali, see the things through indian vision.;
1996 world cup was a hooligans act but after that why everybody started following that. now by welcoming sourav bengalies have showed the way of dealing defeat. underdeveloped nations like pakistan can through stones at their cricketers or columbia can kill their player but do we follow them. look germany inspite of loosing world cup in their own country no body cares to show protest. they dont have so much time dear.
Dont Give so much importance to cricket. We have so many other things in india. So just ingore cirketers either they paly good or bad. Indian Kabbadi team won gold 5 times in row but we just run behind cricket..cricket and cricket and what is end result.
Gangul's reentry into to Indian Team has developed dividing ideas and also groups, and that is the Prime factor for India's fall in World Cup. Just think a while, you will conclude with the same view.
Better push off all the old mens and give way to brisk, clear mind and tension free youngesters who have the real guts to prove.
RE:Please Retire
by Raja Basu on Mar 30, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
For ur kind information, Ganguly%u2019s reentry took place because of India%u2019s dismal performance immediately before his reentry. U r smartly attributing the world cup debacle to Dada%u2019s reentry. Fine. Can u tell me why was India constantly failing before his entry? Which in fact forced the Indian selectors to ring him back? Dude, the actual reason for he World Cup debacle is the weak captaincy of Dravid (who is otherwise a great batsman, no doubt). And u urself no the reason pretty well.
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by prosenjit bhattacharyya on Mar 30, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
What proof do you have of this so called politics? And how did he put the entire nation to shame? Please be kind enough to substantiate your claims rather than bad-mouthing someone.
Your are right but again after reentry of Ganguly also India continued to its poor performance. BCCI has called back Ganguly to view the improved performance of INDIAN team and not Ganguli alone. As a senior player he should have guided INDIA ( inspite of he is not as captain )
RE:Please Retire
by prosenjit bhattacharyya on Mar 30, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
Yes that right he should have guided India. Unfortunately the present captain did not deem it important enough to consult him. Dravid was seen constantly consulting Sachin and Sehwag but never talked to Ganguly. So where was the scope?
RE:Please Retire
by Man Casper on Mar 30, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
This team inspite of having good players has fallen because of lack of leadership. Indian team needs to have a strong leader be it anyone who is better than the so called Wall.
ganguly's Target 1. to get into the team, which he managed to after several rounds of crying in media and tv, thanx to youngsters not performing. Target 2. to become the captain at all cost, after ensuring his place after scoring some runs (at snails pace) at the cost of losing matching, and INTENTIONALLY LOSING HIS WICKET AGAINST SRILANKA FOR THE TEAM TO GET OUT OF THE CUP, to get the captaincy back from dravid. He should NEVER BE made the captain as the friction in the team will increase manifold. Also, his running between the wicket is the worst amoung all the teams is amoung the worst fielders. Highly individualistic people like ganguly should never be put into a team game. let him play the politics with a post in BCCI.
RE:Ganguly is selfish and should be shown the door
by indian bharat on Mar 30, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
You bloody, when he was not performing he was blamed and when he performs you idiots term it as in snail pace. Regarding his game against B'Desh, all the batsmen who got out in front of him how many ball they played. If you have some shame then please criticise other members of the team especially that guy from Mumbai whom you fools make him demigod.
RE:Ganguly is selfish and should be shown the door
by arup roy on Mar 30, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
Do u understand cricket Mr. Dhawan. If you had you would have appreciated Ganguly's performance. Who is the player who has contributed in the team's performance? Why are n't of speaking about others? The Srilanka match was the only match when he did not click. Why didnt the other players click when Ganguly failed? Is is Team Ganguly or Team India or Team Chapell? You first decide this then raise such weird ideas.
RE:Ganguly is selfish and should be shown the door
by An Indian on Mar 30, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
Dear Eshu Dhawan
You may be correct, but the moot question is who are responsible for such acts. In case I hit, I am sure you would retaliate because you are not Gandhiji. Though I am not advocating his actions (if it is really true, what you have claimed, after all it is your guess only).
Now, you have thought to this extent so I would request you to kindly think little beyond, since the problem erupted. Cricket lover should analyze the situation when Ganguly was humiliated and thrown, what the reasons were given, compare the last 25 matches of ODIs and Tests (the point when Ganguly was forced to out) with Tendulkar Cricket lover should also think why there should be humiliation, though the exit is natural.
Yes, shrewdness is good and bad both like energy (say simple fire to nuclear energy), if you use properly it would be boon otherwise it would be curse, now it is to the BCCI and country as whole how do you use.
Dear Eshu, think what is required for the country, at least present situation it is brain gain and Ganguly is the fittest, indispensable and there is no substitute, even if I accept all his bad qualities.
Earlier I have posted a message, I am pasting once again for your perusal.
Indian cricket lovers can think many bitter episodes and planned chopping of its organ so that India should not come as contender in the World Cup.
Plan No. 1 Target the person who is commander of Indian winning expedition, i.e. Sourav Ganguly. Unfortunately Ganguly was passing through bad batting form and his record was too poor, controversies were created and he was shunted out with big humiliation, so that he should not be in position or dare to come back as an asset for Indian team, fortunately for India and unfortunately for Kiran More %u2013 Greg Chappell duo team that Ganguly could retaliate with his performance, which is very rare in the cricketing history and if our cricket lovers refresh their memory and go to just few months back, even cricket legends like Kapil Dev, Ajit Wadekar etc. had advised Ganguly to give up to avoid further humiliation. A player like Ganguly was inside the squad but not included in the final team and used as extra player. Bad phases are part of every player as presently it is with our great batsman Virendra Shewag, the player may be dropped and may not to be included till he comes back to his potential form and these are the regular part of the selection and game, but why the controversy and humiliation and then subsequent drop. Controversy and subsequent humiliation was an attempt to demolish the asset of India i.e. Ganguly who had promoted and nurtured many talents during his captaincy, and to communicate a loud and clear message to all the new players that we duo are the supreme and players should be ready to face dire consequences if they dare to bring the truth (one can recollect the warning to Harbhajan Singh etc.). When Ganguly was dropped our cricket lovers may go through the performance of Ganguly and Tendulkar for last 25 matches both in ODI and Tests (the date from which the Ganguly was dropped), one can compare the performance of both and would find that record of both the players be it strike rate, average etc. etc. were more or less equal, rather Ganguly was better by inches, but both were dismally poor but then why only Ganguly was dropped. I am an ardent fan of Tendulkar, his contribution is matchless so my interoperation should not be taken wrongly. What I want say that the drop of Ganguly with humiliation, especially when he had one asset with him that his character of aggressiveness, which was the asset for Indian Team was not justified, even he had to be dropped than why not gracefully so that wrong message should not go to player and whole world. Yes, Ganguly is also a player like others, and he should be dropped if he is not useful in the present context, but with clear message that your doors are not closed forever provided you prove yourself again as an asset for the country. But it was something unusual that Kiran More told that till he is there his doors are closed forever or in the other word he spread his message that he is the dictator and supreme authority and right to go against the interest of country. What a mentality (or the obvious reason behind such demolition) of Kiran More and what a tolerability of BCCI (provided there is no other intention) and in general country people and cricket lovers, who could digest such huge loss so far the pride of country is concerned. There may be differences in opinion but nobody can be bigger than country%u2019s pride and at least a person like Kiran More. After all it is not personal fight, all the activities are for country i.e. 110 Crores citizens, it is neither the personal Bed Room of Kiran More where he has right not to allow Ganguly to enter or nor is the Ganguly%u2019s courtyard that he would not touch the bat till Kiran More is there. The whole matter was quite disgusting. Apart from this it is difficult to digest that a player like Kiran More was judge for evaluating the performance of world-class great batsman Sachin Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid. VVS Laxman etc. and world-class bowler like Kumble, Harbhajan etc. Any cricket lover of his generation (I am from this generation) knows very well about his contribution for our country and the new generation can go through the Videos available or at least the statistics available in websites or elsewhere. I do agree that Ganguly and More has right to fight, wrestle or anything they want but those should at their personal life, outside the cricketing affair and must be once the cricket life of Ganguly finishes, at that time probably it would be their personal affairs.
Plan No. 2 Involve a person in the controversy, is also an asset for the country and should be little cool and must not a strategist and shrewd. It is ironical that the duo choose (or lured) Rahul Dravid, a cool person, through gentleman, do not involve in dirty politics, may not understand their dirty, as sacrificial goat, so that if someone in future try to rectify these wrong motives must loose (i.e. moral of Dravid) something vital. Everyone know that Ganguly is shrewd, a complicated person and absolutely not simple like Dravid, and it also true that these are assets so far the captaincy and competency is concerned required to compete in world cricket.
I strongly feel that BCCI should investigate the matter through some agencies capable to investigate such matter deeply, where Kiran More being an Indian indulges in such heinous acts, which is now irreparable. Rather I plea to the President Mr. Sharad Pawar to initiate actions to uncover the truth. BCCI should also investigate the acts Greg Chappell also as to why he dumped the interest of country (for which he is being paid) and preferred his own interests (or the interest of others), ego etc. etc. If there could be possibilities for match fixing, then a why phenomenon of country fixing for a particular period is not possible and can not emerge as new way, after all it is the era of innovation, be it bad (good for someone) or bad.
BCCI should introspect about the appointment of Greg Chappell with such huge remuneration, the consequences thereof (forget about the result) and with what object he was appointed i.e. World Cup. Is nobody in India was that capable, when we have retired world-class players?
Can one think some sort of country fixing (instead of match fixing) to wipe India from Word Cup?
Indian people (especially the people living in that city) should asked Kiran More personally and in detail about his all such nuisance acts, for which India had to pay such heavy cost.
RE:Ha ha
by on Mar 30, 2007 05:12 PM Permalink
Hey Dude You were born because one in out of a million from your dady hit the jackpot. So being compared to a spern is not bad.
RE:Ha ha
by shutup on Mar 30, 2007 05:12 PM Permalink
You have already said abt wat you do and thing about most of the time... that is why we are a billion now....
ganguly's Target 1. to get into the team, which he managed to after several rounds of crying in media and tv, thanx to youngsters not performing. Target 2. to become the captain at all cost, after ensuring his place after scoring some runs (at snails pace) at the cost of losing matching, and INTENTIONALLY LOSING HIS WICKET AGAINST SRILANKA FOR THE TEAM TO GET OUT OF THE CUP, to get the captaincy back from dravid. He should NEVER BE made the captain as the friction in the team will increase manifold. Also, his running between the wicket is the worst amoung all the teams is amoung the worst fielders. Highly individualistic people like ganguly should never be put into a team game. let him play the politics with a post in BCCI.
RE:Ganguly is selfish and needs to be shown the door
by suman das on Mar 30, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Yes, after crying he got MOS against SL (although in Indian batting pitch and against lesser bowling attack)!!
If he could make that 66 in 129 balls against SL in WC the story could have been different .altogether.
RE:RE:Ganguly is selfish and needs to be shown the door
by kislay kumar on Mar 30, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Hi,
What a figment of imagination. You people don't talk of india as whole. What Rahul dravid has done to india. Has he been match winner for india.He had played for himself not for team. Played all dirty politics to become captain.If someone does politics and produce result that also acceptable but Rahul is fail at everyfront. Politics is everywhere but we need result. Ok
RE:dada is the best...
by Anusha R on Mar 30, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
shutup..u plese SHUTUP... we all know about theculture and civilisatin of Bengalis thru the episodes of nandigram...
RE:RE:dada is the best...
by Shubho Sengupta on Mar 30, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
yeah the culture of nithari,gang rape of girls in the car,communal riots shows yr gr8 culture
RE:RE:dada is the best...
by sudeep purkayastha on Mar 30, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
go and take a closer look, what happens when a disabled girl is raped in a moving train in Mumbai in broad daylight or when delhiites openly say that Delhi is unsafe for women or for that matter what happened in Gujarat or demolition of the Babri masjid in UP. All that doesnot show you the character of the Indian state but a Nandigram shows you what is Bengali culture.... I pity you. First be an Indian and remember wherever these things happen they are not happening in states but in India and we all should be ashamed of it. Similarly if there is something good then also it is a proud moment for all Indians. Grow up lady.
RE:dada is the best...
by nitin shelar on Mar 30, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
This is not any ciritism on bengali.So u pl.don,t take on personally.This is critisim on dada,s play.U also know how worst he plays.Playing means not getting individual records.Play for team and country.Bengal is part of our country.So first think for your country not for any dada.
RE:dada is the best...
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 30, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
A Bangli don't feel too proud of yourself and don't bring regions in between, every one knows that Bengali likes only Bengali not India for eg. when India were playing against South Africa those idiots went to such an extent that they booed Indian Team and later when there was match again with Ganguli God punished them with rain and they were deprived of the match. And you are speaking of noble.....do you know meaning of noble. Hitting with stone, bottles to player is called noble?
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by prosenjit bhattacharyya on Mar 30, 2007 05:36 PM Permalink
yeah and demolishing somebody's home just beacuse he failed to score runs is VERY noble...think before you talk
They are welcoming him cause he showed he can now play test cricket in one dayers by scoring 66 in 129 balls against Bangladesh.
If a team like Bangladesh can put pressure on someone like Ganguly who use to boost when he was sacked, that he has scored 15 thousand international runs, then just imagine what the better teams like Australia, South Africa etc would have done to him. These werent the Indian pitches where Ganguly got the MOS award against a weak SL bowling attack on batting pitches.
He was so sluggish even against Bermuda. But he can now play test cricket and he proved it.
One of the worst test batsmen to grace test cricket, his averages which are near 30, No of 50s, 100s(Only 1), against tough opponents like Australia, South Africa, Pakistan & West Indies, prove how delicate his mindset was against fast bowlers.
Kolkatta Welcomes a One Day Specialist who showed he can play test cricket in one dayers too.
RE:Welcome Ganguly
by narendra narang on Mar 30, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
Sameer - Pls note that Ganguly has atleast scored in this addition of the WC and lead India to Finals in 2003 unlike Sachins, Dravids and Dhonis of the world who failed miserably with the Bat. Accept the fact that he was the best captian and very good batsmen we have had. If he played slow and scored than think about it had he also flopped... remove his runs from Bangladesh match and you know what I am saying... Its sad the first the many countrymen like joined in humiltaing the most succesful captian at the behest of that Greg Chappel and now still getting angry if some good hearted intelligent people are giving him is due respect.
Long live DADA..!! Sourav, you were the best and you are best..
RE:Welcome Ganguly
by Abby M on Mar 30, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
I think sehwag scored more than Ganguly and his 48 against Sri Lanka should be holded in more high esteem than Ganguly's 60 against Bangladesh cause bangladesh bowling against is nowhere near to what SL attack is.
So Sehwag scored more runs than Ganguly and now The bengali's should go to Delhi and give a warm belated welcome to Sehwag too so that we indians can see this news or read it and laugh and have fun at the attitude of bongs.
RE:Welcome Ganguly
by joy sengupta on Mar 30, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
BUT THEN HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO REALLY PLAYED CRICKET... All others turned out to be hens
RE:Welcome Ganguly
by Sameer K on Mar 30, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
Yeah Mr Sengupta u r right, Only Ganguly Played Cricket.
Rahul Dravid played football and scored 60 goals against Sri Lanka.
Virender Sehwag played tennis and had score line of 114 against Bermuda and against Sri Lanka he played kabaddi and scored 48.
And the gr8 ganguly who was hitting sixes to the 2nd line bowling attack of Sri Lanka in India played cricket in the WC. But Sri Lanka had their front line bowlers, Vaas and Murali and the pitch also was not exported from India. So Ganguly scored a massive 7 Runs by playing cricket.
RE:Welcome Ganguly
by Sameer K on Mar 30, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Yes u r right, Sehwag was playing volleyball and got a 100 and another 47 against SL. Rahul Dravid played football and scored 60 against Sri Lanka.
RE:Welcome Ganguly
by Shubho Sengupta on Mar 30, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
dear sameer pls come to bengal and see for youself.sachin and rahul r all showred adulation,and that goes for leander,viswanath anand,etc.we bengalis respect success at the same time buck up the failures.Pls recollect 1999wc and the test vs pakistan,and find out due to whom India lost those matches.
RE:Welcome Ganguly
by Abby M on Mar 30, 2007 05:38 PM Permalink
And the moment Ganguly was out and there was a match against SA at Eden, the adulation changed to South Africans.
Everyone saw that and also no one can say those were supporting the SA there and then were in minority, it was the entire EDEN booing Indian Players and supporting South Africans.
And they call themselves indians.
If Ganguly was a good batsmen even now, why suddenly this difference of scoring runs came in West Indies. Does he needs only Indian pitches to scored and get MOS against 2nd line Sri Lankan bowlers. And he got out in 43rd over against bangaldesh and that too he took double the balls nearly to score his runs.
If this mentally tough guy cannot handle pressure against bangladesh then anyone can imagine what SA, Australia, NZ etc would have done to him in the next round.
